dnd 3e Combattimenti prolungati

[Longino]

Attenzione a non confondere CONCEALMENT e COVER.

Domanda tragica :

E se io mi infilo in un "cover" che da "concealment"? Regolisticamente come ci si comporta?

[Shar]

Essendo due cose molto diverse, dovrebbero poter funzionare assieme. Comunque non ti "infili" in una cover, o hai cover o no (non so in italiano, ma il senso dovrebbe essere quello di copertura). Concealment cos'è diventato? Occultamento? BOH?!?

Comunque ti riporto l'SRD.

COVER

To determine whether your target has cover from your ranged attack, choose a corner of your square. If any line from this corner to any corner of the target’s square passes through a square or border that blocks line of effect or provides cover, or through a square occupied by a creature, the target has cover (+4 to AC).

When making a melee attack against an adjacent target, your target has cover if any line from your square to the target’s square goes through a wall (including a low wall). When making a melee attack against a target that isn’t adjacent to you (such as with a reach weapon), use the rules for determining cover from ranged attacks.

Low Obstacles and Cover: A low obstacle (such as a wall no higher than half your height) provides cover, but only to creatures within 30 feet (6 squares) of it. The attacker can ignore the cover if he’s closer to the obstacle than his target.

Cover and Attacks of Opportunity: You can’t execute an attack of opportunity against an opponent with cover relative to you.

Cover and Reflex Saves: Cover grants you a +2 bonus on Reflex saves against attacks that originate or burst out from a point on the other side of the cover from you. Note that spread effects can extend around corners and thus negate this cover bonus.

Cover and Hide Checks: You can use cover to make a Hide check. Without cover, you usually need concealment (see below) to make a Hide check.

Soft Cover: Creatures, even your enemies, can provide you with cover against ranged attacks, giving you a +4 bonus to AC. However, such soft cover provides no bonus on Reflex saves, nor does soft cover allow you to make a Hide check.

Big Creatures and Cover: Any creature with a space larger than 5 feet (1 square) determines cover against melee attacks slightly differently than smaller creatures do. Such a creature can choose any square that it occupies to determine if an opponent has cover against its melee attacks. Similarly, when making a melee attack against such a creature, you can pick any of the squares it occupies to determine if it has cover against you.

Total Cover: If you don’t have line of effect to your target he is considered to have total cover from you. You can’t make an attack against a target that has total cover.

Varying Degrees of Cover: In some cases, cover may provide a greater bonus to AC and Reflex saves. In such situations the normal cover bonuses to AC and Reflex saves can be doubled (to +8 and +4, respectively). A creature with this improved cover effectively gains improved evasion against any attack to which the Reflex save bonus applies. Furthermore, improved cover provides a +10 bonus on Hide checks.

CONCEALMENT

To determine whether your target has concealment from your ranged attack, choose a corner of your square. If any line from this corner to any corner of the target’s square passes through a square or border that provides concealment, the target has concealment.

When making a melee attack against an adjacent target, your target has concealment if his space is entirely within an effect that grants concealment. When making a melee attack against a target that isn’t adjacent to you use the rules for determining concealment from ranged attacks.

In addition, some magical effects provide concealment against all attacks, regardless of whether any intervening concealment exists.

Concealment Miss Chance: Concealment gives the subject of a successful attack a 20% chance that the attacker missed because of the concealment. If the attacker hits, the defender must make a miss chance percentile roll to avoid being struck. Multiple concealment conditions do not stack.

Concealment and Hide Checks: You can use concealment to make a Hide check. Without concealment, you usually need cover to make a Hide check.

Total Concealment: If you have line of effect to a target but not line of sight he is considered to have total concealment from you. You can’t attack an opponent that has total concealment, though you can attack into a square that you think he occupies. A successful attack into a square occupied by an enemy with total concealment has a 50% miss chance (instead of the normal 20% miss chance for an opponent with concealment).

You can’t execute an attack of opportunity against an opponent with total concealment, even if you know what square or squares the opponent occupies.

Ignoring Concealment: Concealment isn’t always effective. A shadowy area or darkness doesn’t provide any concealment against an opponent with darkvision. Characters with low-light vision can see clearly for a greater distance with the same light source than other characters. Although invisibility provides total concealment, sighted opponents may still make Spot checks to notice the location of an invisible character. An invisible character gains a +20 bonus on Hide checks if moving, or a +40 bonus on Hide checks when not moving (even though opponents can’t see you, they might be able to figure out where you are from other visual clues).

Varying Degrees of Concealment: Certain situations may provide more or less than typical concealment, and modify the miss chance accordingly.

[zelgadiss]

Concealment cos'è diventato? Occultamento? BOH?!?

esattamente .

bye bye.....

[Longino]

Si, in italiano sono occultamento e copertura. Il fatto è che molte coperture danno anche occultamento. Un esempio può essere una trincea mimetizzata, da sia copertura ( protezione fisica) che occultamento!

[jazar]

mi viene un dubbio ancestrale.

Nella 3.0 c'erano gradi ti di occultamento (CONCEALMENT)... 10, 20, 30, 40, 50%, con tanto di esempi tipici per ogni grado (da leggera foschia, ad oscurità totale)... ma nella 3.5 pare che li abbiano tolti.

Cioè è rimasto solo 20% e 50%??

[Gatto Bardo]

Attenzione a non confondere CONCEALMENT e COVER.

Mmmmhh...Grazie, non avevo dato peso alla diferenza! ^^

WOW!!! Centesimo Messaggio!!!

[Shar]

Cioè è rimasto solo 20% e 50%??

E dire che l'ho anche quotato dall'SRD. Allora lo riquoto:

Varying Degrees of Concealment: Certain situations may provide more or less than typical concealment, and modify the miss chance accordingly.

[Guderian]

(stocco affilato+1-stocco perfetto-5d6 di attacco furtivo-critico[molto probabile])

Ma lo stocco può essere affilato?

In 3.0 non erano solo le armi taglienti ad esserlo?

[zelgadiss]

Ma lo stocco può essere affilato?

In 3.0 non erano solo le armi taglienti ad esserlo?

in 3.5 lo può essere (perchè possono esserlo sia perforanti che taglienti). ma mi pare fosse così anche in 3.0.

bye bye.....

[Sekiho]

grazie mille dei consiglio....ora stò ceracndo di risolvere il problema saltando addosso all'avversario oppure continuo con la solita tattica...

[jazar]

E dire che l'ho anche quotato dall'SRD. Allora lo riquoto:

Varying Degrees of Concealment: Certain situations may provide more or less than typical concealment, and modify the miss chance accordingly.

Ah ok

diciamo che nella 3.0 s'erano presi la briga di fare degli esempi pratici, mentre nalla 3.5 no

[Merin]

Mi pare non sia più così nella 3.5 o almeno il mio master me l'ha data ad intendere, perchè avendo trovato un anello dell'intermittenza,interrogato sui furtivi ha risp di no.

Vado in vacanza alcuni giorni e decidete che i manuali ele regole non si rispettano più?

Dì al tuo master di leggersi il manuale del giocatore, incantesimo intermittenza (3.0 o 3.5 che sia), tra le tante cose scritte c'è "Colpisce come una creatura invisibile (con un bonus di +2 ai tiri per colpire)negando al bersaglio qualsiasi bonus di destrezza alla CA " ERGO SONO TUTTI FURTIVI!!!!

Quindi, rinnovo all'autore della discussione l'invito a prendere in considerazione tale oggetto per i suoi scopi

ciao

[Sekiho]

grazie a tutti...stò riparmiando per qualche oggetto che mi permetta di farmi fare un'attacco furtivo a round(bacchetta invisibilità superiore[magari!])

per il momento però me la cavo abbastanza bene.....